More on vaccines

Okay….so, apparently I have a little bit of an audience…. I think more people have seen my vaccines post than all my other posts combined….so, I will keep on the subject

I found another blog post… it was a little lengthy and It took some restrain for me not to just lose and start chastising the author…but I am determined to keep my cool and try to have a respectful debate (even if it is just with myself)

So, here is the post

http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/dr-kurt-why-i-will-never-choose-to-vaccinate-my-own-son-and-any-future-kids-my-wife-and-i-have/

And this is my response.

While I got to a point where I ended up just skimming through the rest of the post, I got the message and I agree. Medicine has advanced to a point where most or all of these diseases would be treatable with significant long-term damage in most of the population….keyword being most… there are of course those fee extreme cases where things go wrong and the effects are detrimental (some times perfectly healthy die from flu and common colds…the CDC says that in 2010 about 56,000 people in the US died from the flu and pneumonia). There are also cases where the patients don’t have the ability to fight the disease and exposure to any pathogen ends up being fatal. Maybe it is not your kid, in which case, why is this problem…right? But, what if it was your kid? What if your son had leukemia or undergone a transplant and therefore was on immunosuppressive therapy for survival…. wouldn't you be happy to know you neighbors and your kids classmates are vaccinated and therefore your kid is less susceptible to infection? Don’t take me wrong, I am not wishing any harm on your child, but just because your kid is healthy right now, doesn't mean t could not happen in the future.

Going back to the point about diseases being treatable these days, you are most likely right…but also, treatment of these diseases would probably involve administration of medicaments that probably have as many “toxic” substances as the vaccines themselves…and big pharma would probably make as much money from treating the diseases as it does from preventing them (if not more) and if you take into account doctors visits, hospitalizations, medicines, time off…it would be a lot more costly for the nation to treat these diseases than your prevent them. Also, let’s put it this way…would you rather scientists find a treatment of vaccine for cancer….wouldn’t you rather be able to save people from the suffering that comes with both the disease and the treatment?

You give a bunch of statistics about the diseases that vaccines aim to prevent…but the way the statistics are presented and interpreted is just awful….take the first graph for example…yes, the number of cases (total) was down to 15/100,000 (about 25,0000 cases based on the population of the US in 1955) after introduction of the vaccine, but an important thing to note is that those fluctuations happened even before the vaccine as there were periods of outbreak…for instance, in 1946 they were as low or even lower…. but since the introduction of the vaccine there has been a downward trend and has never peaks as much as it did before the introduction…also, the data is only until 1970…it is worth noting that there the graphs still shows about 1/100,000 (almost 2,000 cases)….while there haven’t been any polio cases since 1979…also….are we even reading the same graph? you are saying that paralytic polio only happened in 0.5-2% of the cases…but the graph clearly shows otherwise…..take any year….for instance, 1951 (the highest). The total number of cases was about 3.75/100,000 with paralytic cases being about 2,25/100,000, 60%!..and for comparison let’s look at a low year such as 1941 with about 7/100,000 total cases and about 3/100,000-4/100,000…still about 50%….Or am I reading this wrong? I have no idea where you get that figure …that is And FYI, the great depression was definitely over by the late 40’s….. Not to mention the lack of any reliable statistics regarding vaccine injuries…did you for instance note that only one autism related compensation has been made out of the 5,636 claims since 1988? And yes, compensation for non-autism related injuries have been made in 2,620 cases, but I believe that injuries from the diseases would have been exceedingly large in the absence of vaccines.

So, while I was trying to stay calm and have a respectful conversation, you sir, do not deserve respect. You are just a liar and a manipulator that misrepresents data in order to convince people that probably don’t know any better….and therefore I won’t even argue with you anymore.